{(1) A
Comparison of the Spiral Dynamics Map with Other Maps, William R.
Lee, July, 1999 – and
–
(2) Graves
’ Research
Compared With 25 Other Theories/Models}
I have data on child rearing. That is, if you ask the question:
how could I take a child and rear him in such a manner as to have him
emerge in adulthood thinking that the D-Q way of life is the right and
proper way of life? You could shunt the child into this system of
behavior if you know the principles of child rearing that produce
it.
{Figure
6: Development from Childhood to Adulthood as a Function of the
Way the Child is Reared.}
I have information
on . . . if you have a group of 7th grade kids, for
example, and you examine and find in there that you have kids who are
operating at the C-P level and you’ve got kids who are operating at
the D-Q and you’ve got kids who are operating at the E-R levels . .
. and the question is – how best can they learn? How do you actually
go about the task of organizing the classroom so that those children
can learn and have in the course of their learning an optimizing of
their chance of moving up the existential staircase, up the levels of
existence?
Question:
Where have you done this work?
Dr.
Graves:
In the
Shalmont school system. I haven’t written anything on it yet. A
former student of mine that I’ve already mentioned, David Hunt, has
done a great deal of work along this line. And a colleague of mine,
who I’ve worked with considerably, was very interested in this
field. He got the systems point of view on his own and again his
version is truncated. He is part of that Harvey-Hunt-Schroder group .
. . O. J. Harvey out of the
University
of
Colorado and
he’s done a lot of work along this line. And he and I shared a lot
back and forth.
Now . . . these are some of the things that I’m involved
with. In this business of therapy, the reinterpretation of
psychopathology. For example, what kinds of symptoms appear in what
kinds of systems and what is the meaning of the kind of symptoms that
appear in a particular kind of system?
Let me illustrate. If a person is in a transition from a D-Q to
an E-R system and he gets a conversion disorder, what kind of a
conversion disorder does he get . . . and what does this conversion
disorder mean within my systems? I find that people who choose the
conversion disorder as a means of a resolution of a conflict they are
in when they are in this transition are always getting a debilitating
kind of conversion disorder. That is . . . they don’t get a tic, or
a little conversion of that sort, a head jerking tic. They will get a
blindness. They will get a paralysis. The thing that is interesting
about it is that they get the debilitating kind of conversion disorder
but in their life style they always carry on in the misery of it all .
. . and they notoriously continue to try to struggle on . . . and they
do. I find, for example, that the C-P system and the E-R system both
are what you would call in other psychologies – acting out systems.
You get a very different kind of pathology arising out of those
systems than you get arising out of the others.
Suicide, the data says, is rather an odd one. Suicide his
highest in the F-S system and coming to understand that this is an
interesting thing. The data says that homicide as a behavior of man
disappears as the transition is made into the F-S system. This is a
very interesting finding and suggests, that if we could possibly work
on the problems of human existence
in such a manner as to get the mass of our people beyond the E-R level
of existence then we would not have to worry about homicide crime
anymore; that this is a phenomenon which will disappear. It is
interesting that if that goes . . . you don’t find man without
problems because, as I just said, the minute the transition is made
into the F-S system, then the probability that if severe frustrations
and problems arise in the individual’s
life that he’ll take his aggression out upon himself and kill
himself . . . is very high. He doesn’t take it out on someone else.
I find that in the studying of the thought processes, that if a person
again makes the transition from E-R to F-S, that is, only when one
begins to make this transition that he really honestly and deep inside
himself believes that war is no solution to man’s problems.