Statement
by a participant:
Some years ago there was a report on anxiety neurosis and the
basic concept was that tension caused the endocrines to produce more
than they should
of produced of certain substances, and if you relax the tension these
substances would decrease and the anxiety would disappear. By using
relaxation techniques that work the
endocrines change and the anxiety is gone.
Dr.
Graves:
I think Skinner’s work brought a great deal of this together.
His paper - Brain Neural-Ultra-Hemostat or something like that . . .
brings that kind of information together and shows many of the
behavioral changes that move in and out as chemistry of the individual
does change. Notice what I am saying here . . . and this is the thing
that is important to me.
- It doesn’t matter whether you go at this from the
structural level and try to explain things in the beginning.
- It doesn’t matter whether you go at it from a chemical
level and try to explain things from the beginning.
- Or whether you go at it from the behavioral level . . . what
you are going to find is . . .
(a) If you start off and try to explain it structurally
- you are going to be left with some gaps over here that you can’t
handle until you’ve handled it both chemically
and behaviorally.
(b) If you start off chemically and try to explain it
all . . . you can’t get to first base because you’ll be left with
some gaps over here that you can’t handle until you deal with the structural
and behavioral.
(c) And if you start off behaviorally you are going to
end up with some gaps you can’t handle until you deal with the structural
and chemical aspects.
So
. . . it isn’t one or the other . . . It is a system. They are all
there. And within my point of view you can see that a system of
behavior is roughly akin to the concept of absolute zero and absolute
vacuum in physics. It is something that is never achieved but it is
that from which the human being varies. And so, I am saying in theory
there is a very tight relationship between structure, chemistry
and behavior. If you had pure conditions and this structure
with this chemistry – then you’d get this behavior.
If you had this behavior then you would get this chemistry
and structure. This is in theory but we recognize that in
reality the pure conditions and ideal states of theory don’t
necessarily exist.
Question:
I am wondering if that whole concept of change in biochemistry
only takes place going from certain level to certain levels? The
lowest levels of biochemistry changes are the ones that cause an
increase in levels and at a certain point it is no longer
biochemistry.
Dr.
Graves:
Let’s use my hypothesized explanation of the differences
between the G-T level and the other levels and what instrumental
evidence that I have so far for the H-U level as a means of test. What
I find explains best to me the reason that the people in the G-T level
behave so much better quantitatively and qualitatively, time-wise,
etc., is this:
- They simply are not afraid . . . . . . .
- they are not afraid of not find food
- (A-N)
- they are not afraid that they’re not going to have shelter
- (B-O)
-
they are not afraid of predatory man
- (C-P)
- they are not afraid of God
- (D-Q)
- they are not afraid of not having status or
not making it on their own in this world - (E-R)
- they are not afraid of social rejection
- (F-S)