From the Historical Collection of the work of Dr. Clare W. Graves
William R. Lee                                                            - presentations, papers, recorded transcripts, notes -                                                           February 2002
Seminar on Levels of Human Existence, Washington School of Psychiatry, October, 1971


 

Think back on this: the deny or sacrifice self now always changed to an express self system and the express self  system always changed to a deny or sacrifice self system when they changed centrally.

 

We must differentiate between peripheral and central change. Peripheral change means change which occurs within a system, keeping within the deny/sacrifice self or express self category. The person might change in becoming more defensive or might change in what they thought was a proper way to sacrifice the self but they would not change from believing that it was healthy to deny/sacrifice the self to believing in an express self form. This could be an intensifying of the original belief but not changing to another system, merely modifying within the same system.

 

Central change means going to one of the other three systems at this point in my research.

(h)  The express self calculatingly/rationally for what self desires without shame or guilt was not like the express self but not at the expense of others terms of effective change force. The express self for what self desires without shame or guilt subjects responded only to self procured information or to self thought. The express self but with concern for others responded to information or thought regardless of the source.

 

The express self calculatingly/rationally for what self desires without shame or guilt simply wouldn’t listen to their peers. They wouldn’t pay any attention to authority. I actually had some of these students come into my office and say; “Doc, I think I’m going to have to leave this class because I'm just not going to read what that other guy says about healthy personality. I’m not interested. I don’t care what he says.” I had to work like heck to hang on to them. I had to say to some of them: “All right, forget it.” I had in this express self rationally an amazing number that I actually had to lift out of the class and say; “Now you just go out and do this yourself and you forget any instructions that I have given you. You don’t have to do what any of these others do.” I either did this or I would lose them. Sending them out of the class and not having anything to do with them was a very typical thing.

 

Now – just put yourself in the position I was in at this time and begin to think for a moment about what therapy has to do with changing behavior. We begin to ask ourselves whose behavior are we trying to change? What are the effective change forces in changing this guys behavior? You can begin to wonder just how complicated is this business of changing behavior.

 

So the express self calculatingly/rationally responded only to self procured  information while the express self but not at the expense of others was different. They might change under the influence of a peer or under influence of an authority. Sometimes they mentioned that something came up in class and this was a factor that caused them to sit back and reconsider. They simply changed no matter where the information came from. There was one of this closedness present in them. 

 

(i)  The express self calculatingly/rationally for what self desires without shame or guilt group was not like the express self but not at the expense of others type in terms of judged freedom to behave. The express self calculatingly/rationally always expressed themselves like the tethers were on them, tying them down and they had a desperate need to be free, but felt very much that they were tied down. Whereas you didn’t get this in the other express self category at all. The express self but not at the expense of others never argued about the methodology that we were using in class or anything of that sort, never felt that they were being bound by the rules that someone else had set up. On the other hand they would say something if it looks like we’ve made a mistake somewhere in moving in a particular direction, but they didn’t fight or try to break away from anything.

 

(j)  The express self calculatingly/rationally for self desire without shame or guilt was not like the express self but not at the expense of others in terms of taking advantage of others.

 

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