From the Historical Collection of the work of Dr. Clare W. Graves
William R. Lee                                                            - presentations, papers, recorded transcripts, notes -                                                             February 2002
Seminar on Levels of Human Existence, Washington School of Psychiatry, October, 1971


            

Question:   In your theoretical framework do any of your systems correlate with the alterably close or unalterably closed?

 

Dr. Graves:    Well, first of all, according to the theory, you get into your acting out behavioral disorders in the odd numbered systems, that is 3-5-7 because those are the expressive systems. And you get into more inhibitory behavioral disorders in your even numbered systems 2-4-6-8. In your even numbered systems you are apt to get some kind of compulsive behavior while in the odd you are apt to get some kind of impulsive behavior. Now, you can begin working along that line. You’ll see that the systems are simply mechanisms man has at his disposal and that in certain systems we tend to use certain mechanisms in preference to others. We tend to subordinate, for example, the anxiety symptoms when we are centralized in an odd numbered system and we tend to exaggerate the acting out symptoms of various kinds, hostility, aggression and taking it out upon our own body. Psychosomatic problems and the like are more typical of the odd numbered systems than they are of the even numbered systems. The system uses that symptom that best make sense with the individual psychology, which best fit with the psychology of the systems.

 

            Look at the F-S system. If the central psychology of this system is to avoid rejection by society and others, then this is what the whole life of the person revolves around . . . avoiding rejection by the valued others. What is the person going to go into if he is rejected? He hasn’t got much left but dejection. Another thing is that he can’t fight because if he fights he is probably going to be rejected more. He can’t leave because he’s got to have acceptance and if he leaves he doesn’t have anything there. So, he’s got to do something that tries to get what Freud told us as secondary gain out of the symptoms and that is sympathy. Pull the person toward you by sympathy. In the process he runs away into a depressive manifestation as the symptoms make sense with the central core of the person.

 

            Rider (sp?), for example, believes that psychosomatic symptoms make sense with the E-R system. He’s worked with persons in the E-R system. These individuals haven’t got sense enough, so to speak, to admit that anything could be wrong. He just cannot admit this to himself. He just cannot stand the thought that he could have a weakness. If he gets into any kind of stress, and this stress begins to eat upon him, he only exacerbates  the problem by refusing to accept the signal that his information system could possibly be wrong. So he makes the decision to get out from under the stress his central psychology is: I must master, I must have will power, I must be able to do it myself, I must not be licked by anything. So he pushes on in this . . . and the very system that he has where he has centralized his behavior is a prime system. Push the world aside and go down and get what you want.

 

            So, the minute he fights it, then he’s got to exacerbate this sort of thing. So the system does make sense with the central core of it and as you sit down and begin to think, what is the central core? You look along that vertical top of the way these people behave on psychometric tests and you begin to see a fantastic thing evolve. I hypothesize that the kind of symptomatology that could make sense with this kind of psychology is this symptomatology.

  

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